Legislature(2023 - 2024)DAVIS 106

02/21/2023 03:00 PM House HEALTH & SOCIAL SERVICES

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
      HOUSE HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                     
                       February 21, 2023                                                                                        
                           3:01 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mike Prax, Chair                                                                                                 
Representative Justin Ruffridge, Vice Chair                                                                                     
Representative CJ McCormick (via teleconference)                                                                                
Representative Dan Saddler                                                                                                      
Representative Jesse Sumner                                                                                                     
Representative Zack Fields                                                                                                      
Representative Genevieve Mina                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 59                                                                                                               
"An Act  relating to Medicaid eligibility;  expanding eligibility                                                               
for   postpartum   mothers;   conditioning   the   expansion   of                                                               
eligibility  on  approval  by the  United  States  Department  of                                                               
Health and Human Services; and providing for an effective date."                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB  59                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: MEDICAID ELIGIBILITY: POSTPARTUM MOTHERS                                                                           
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
02/03/23       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/03/23       (H)       HSS, FIN                                                                                               
02/21/23       (H)       HSS AT 3:00 PM DAVIS 106                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ANNE ZINK, MD, Chief Medical Officer                                                                                            
Alaska Department of Health                                                                                                     
Juneau, Alaksa                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Introduced HB 59 with a PowerPoint                                                                       
presentation and answered questions.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
EMILY RICCI, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                                
Alaska Department of Health                                                                                                     
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:     Introduced  HB  59   with  a  PowerPoint                                                             
presentation and answered questions.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REBEKAH MORISSE, Section Chief                                                                                                  
Women's Children's and Family Health                                                                                            
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Responded to questions pertaining to HB 59.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:01:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MIKE PRAX  called  the House  Health  and Social  Services                                                             
Standing   Committee    meeting   to    order   at    3:01   p.m.                                                               
Representatives   McCormick   (via  teleconference),   Ruffridge,                                                               
Sumner,  Fields, and  Prax were  present  at the  call to  order.                                                               
Representatives Saddler  and Mina arrived  as the meeting  was in                                                               
progress.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
        HB  59-MEDICAID ELIGIBILITY: POSTPARTUM MOTHERS                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:03:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PRAX  announced that  the only order  of business  would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL NO.  59, "An  Act relating  to Medicaid  eligibility;                                                               
expanding  eligibility for  postpartum mothers;  conditioning the                                                               
expansion  of  eligibility  on  approval  by  the  United  States                                                               
Department of  Health and  Human Services;  and providing  for an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:03:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANNE  ZINK,  MD,  Chief Medical  Officer,  Alaska  Department  of                                                               
Health,  provided  a  PowerPoint  presentation,  titled  "HB  59:                                                               
Postpartum  Medicaid   Extension."     She  began  on   slide  3,                                                               
describing HB  59 is  intended to  extend postpartum  coverage of                                                               
Medicaid  from 60  days to  12  months to  help cover  postpartum                                                               
medical and  health concerns.  She  stated that HB 59  would help                                                               
support  growing families,  help  improve  Alaska's maternal  and                                                               
child  health future,  simplify  Medicaid  coverage renewal,  and                                                               
save long-term cost dollars.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:05:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. ZINK continued to slide 4,  titled "What Are the Stakes?" and                                                               
showed the higher  maternal mortality rates of  the United States                                                               
of America compared  to other developed countries.   She followed                                                               
with  slide  5,  which  read  as  follows  [original  punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Pregnancy-related deaths  occur well beyond  the 60-day                                                                    
     postpartum period                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     29%  of  pregnancy-related deaths  in  the  U.S.    not                                                                    
     including  those caused  by  accidents, homicides,  and                                                                    
     suicides  occur 43 to 365 days postpartum                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     For every  pregnancy-related death, there are  70 to 80                                                                    
     cases of  severe maternal illness and  morbidity in the                                                                    
     postpartum period                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Medicaid-enrolled  women are  especially vulnerable  to                                                                    
     pregnancy-related  death as  they  are  more likely  to                                                                    
     experience chronic  conditions, pre-term  or low-weight                                                                    
     births, and severe maternal morbidity                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DR.  ZINK added  that  51 percent  of all  births  in Alaska  are                                                               
covered by Medicaid,  but 71 percent of all maternal  deaths - if                                                               
they have coverage - are covered by Medicaid.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:06:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  ZINK outlined  "Pregnancy-Associated  Deaths  in Alaska"  on                                                               
slide 6, which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     In  2021, Alaska's  overall pregnancy-associated  death                                                                    
     rate exceeded the previous 5-year average by 109%                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Among deaths in 2015-2019:  73% occurred >6 weeks post-                                                                  
     delivery                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Among deaths  reviewed by  Alaska's Maternal  and Child                                                                    
     Death  Review (MCDR)  committee  during 2016-2022,  88%                                                                  
     were potentially  preventable, and 44%  were associated                                                                
     with barriers to health care access                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DR.  ZINK added  that in  rural regions  the pregnancy-associated                                                               
death rate  increased by  184 percent compared  to 69  percent in                                                               
our urban regions.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:07:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EMILY RICCI,  Deputy Commissioner,  Alaska Department  of Health,                                                               
continued the PowerPoint,  on slide 7, "What Can  Alaska Do About                                                               
It?," which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section  9812 of  the American  Rescue Plan  Act (ARPA)                                                                    
     added the  time-limited option  for allowing  states to                                                                    
     extend postpartum  coverage from  the required  60 days                                                                    
     to 12  months for eligible beneficiaries  through March                                                                    
     1, 2027.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     The Consolidated Appropriations  Act of 2023 (CAA-2023)                                                                    
     revised ARPA  to make  the optional  coverage extension                                                                    
     permanent.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:09:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RICCI  outlined why  the legislature should  pass a  bill, as                                                               
shown on slide 8, "Why a  Bill?," which read as follows [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The Legislature  must approve  all optional  groups for                                                                    
     Medicaid coverage in statute AS 47.07.020                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Women who are eligible for  Medicaid in Alaska based on                                                                    
     their pregnancy currently only  receive coverage for 60                                                                    
     days postpartum                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     In Alaska, 51% of births are covered by Medicaid                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:09:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. ZINK  continued to  slide 9,  "Benefits to  Alaskans," adding                                                               
that that  41 states had already  opted to take advantage  of the                                                               
American  Rescue  Plan  Act  (ARPA).  Slide  9  read  as  follows                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Improves maternal health outcomes                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Prevents  gaps in  health  care  coverage and  improves                                                                    
     health care access                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Improves maternal mental health                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Mental   health  conditions   contributed  to   31%  of                                                                    
     pregnancy-associated deaths in  Alaska between 2014 and                                                                    
     2018                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     14%  of Alaskan  mothers who  had  a baby  in 2020  had                                                                    
     symptoms of postpartum depression                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Addresses disparities in maternal health outcomes                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Medicaid plays  a vital role in  addressing disparities                                                                    
     in maternal mortality and morbidity rates                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Postpartum period is an  especially vulnerable time for                                                                    
     parents recovering from substance use disorders                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Extending  postpartum  coverage   increases  access  to                                                                    
     screening and education about  chronic diseases such as                                                                    
     diabetes and high blood pressure                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:11:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. ZINK followed with slide 10, by the same name, which read as                                                                
follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Improves child health outcomes                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Parental enrollment  in Medicaid  is associated  with a                                                                    
     29%  higher probability  that a  child will  receive an                                                                    
     annual well-child visit                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Maternal  mental health  matters  not  only because  of                                                                    
     maternal  mortality;  it  is  intimately  tied  to  the                                                                    
     health and development of the child                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Maternal depression  can lead  to negative  outcomes in                                                                    
     children  including   delayed  cognition   and  social-                                                                    
     emotional/behavioral development                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:12:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. ZINK outlined "Cost Savings" of HB 59 on slide 11, which                                                                    
read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The  Congressional Budget  Office (CBO)  estimates that                                                                    
     by 2024,  about a  quarter of  postpartum beneficiaries                                                                    
     will live in states that  elect the new option and that                                                                    
     extended Medicaid  coverage will result in  almost $6.1                                                                  
     billion in  federal spending over  the first  ten years                                                                  
     and expected to grow over time                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     The CBO estimates  that not only are  their federal and                                                                    
     state cost savings, but this  will decrease ACA subsidy                                                                  
     cost for private insurance                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Savings   from  averted   severe  maternal   morbidity:                                                                  
     Medicaid-enrolled pregnant  women with  severe maternal                                                                    
     morbidity cost an average  of $10,134 annually compared                                                                    
     to $6,894 for those without                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Savings  from prevention:  Preventing gaps  in coverage                                                                  
     ensures   access  to   primary  and   preventive  care,                                                                    
     including   management   of  chronic   conditions   and                                                                    
     screening for mental  health conditions, substance use,                                                                    
     and intimate partner violence                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:13:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. ZINK displayed slide 12,  "Mental Health," which contained an                                                               
infographic  from  Mathematica  outlining the  key  takeaways  of                                                               
perinatal  mood and  anxiety  disorders, and  the  impact of  the                                                               
mother  and  child is  an  estimated  $14.2  billion.   Slide  12                                                               
continued as such [original punctuation provided]:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Drug/alcohol  use  or   substance  use  disorders  were                                                                  
     documented  in  72%   of  Alaskan  pregnancy-associated                                                                    
     deaths reviewed by the MCDR Committee during 2016-2022                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Increasing  access  to   screening  and  treatment  for                                                                    
     substance  misuse  during  and after  a  pregnancy  may                                                                    
     reduce costs for the index  child as well as subsequent                                                                    
     pregnancies and births                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska Medicaid paid  3.9 times as much  per infant for                                                                  
     those  affected  by  Neonatal  withdrawal  compared  to                                                                    
     nonaffected infants                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:14:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. ZINK continued to slide 13, "Alaska Supports HB 59," which                                                                  
lists who supports extending postpartum Medicaid Coverage.  The                                                                 
list read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     The American  College of Obstetricians  & Gynecologists                                                                    
     (ACOG)                                                                                                                     
     The American Medical Association                                                                                           
     The American Academy of Pediatrics                                                                                         
     The Society for Maternal-Fetal Medicine                                                                                    
     The American College of Physicians                                                                                         
     The American Academy of Family Physicians                                                                                  
     The American Hospital Association                                                                                          
     The American Psychiatric Association                                                                                       
     The American College of Cardiology                                                                                         
     The American Osteopathic Association                                                                                       
     The March of Dimes                                                                                                         
     The Alaska Native Tribal Health Consortium                                                                                 
     The American Heart Association                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:14:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RICCI, in response to  a question from Representative Saddler                                                               
about  whether  Alaska is  under  ARPA  legislation, stated  that                                                               
Alaska  is not  under ARPA  legislation,  but HB  59 would  allow                                                               
Alaska to take  advantage of the extension provided by  ARPA.  In                                                               
response  to a  follow-up question,  she confirmed  there was  no                                                               
time limit  to take advantage of  the Consolidated Appropriations                                                               
Act of 2023 (CAA-2023).                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. RICCI, in response to  a question from Representative Saddler                                                               
about why  the state did  not take advantage of  this opportunity                                                               
earlier, stated  that the  focus was  primarily on  the pandemic,                                                               
cyber-attack,  and  other items,  and  the  department is  taking                                                               
advantage of this offer as early as it can.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:17:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  ZINK,   in  response  to  a   question  from  Representative                                                               
Ruffridge  about the  original  temporary  coverage extension  to                                                               
postpartum eligibility  that preceded CAA-2023, said  that it was                                                               
during 2022, and that it was supposed to expire in 2027.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RUFFRIDGE  stated that if  it was presented  as an                                                               
option  in 2022,  then  it may  have not  been  available to  the                                                               
legislature in its entirety.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. ZINK said  she did not know  its exact date and  was not able                                                               
to confirm Representative Ruffridge's  statement.  She added that                                                               
many other  states are  implementing Section  9812 of  ARPA right                                                               
now.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:19:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. ZINK  moved to slide  15, "Healthy Family  Initiative," which                                                               
read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Strong  families  are  the   foundation  of  a  healthy                                                                  
     society and a vibrant economy.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     4-year statewide  investments in  the health  and well-                                                                    
     being of Alaskan families                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Governor  Dunleavy  proposed  $9.5M   (UGF)  in  FY  24                                                                    
     operating  budget   for  Healthy   Families  activities                                                                    
     within DOH:                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Postpartum Medicaid extension                                                                                            
     Office of Health Savings                                                                                                   
     TB and congenital syphilis mitigation                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DR. ZINK  added that under  the Healthy Families  Initiative that                                                               
the  Governor  has put  forward,  the  three major  pillars  were                                                               
healthy   beginnings,  access   to   health   care  and   healthy                                                               
communities.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:20:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RICCI  listed the four sections  of HB 59 on  one slide each,                                                               
starting  on slide  17  and ending  on slide  20,  which read  as                                                               
follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. RICCI  explained what HB 59  does, as shown on  slides 17-20,                                                               
which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Adds  a new  section (o)  to AS  47.07.020, authorizing                                                                    
     the department to implement  an extension of postpartum                                                                    
     Medicaid coverage  up to the maximum  period authorized                                                                    
     under federal law.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Section 2                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Amends the  uncodified law to  add the  requirement for                                                                    
     submission of a Medicaid  state plan amendment to allow                                                                    
     Medicaid beneficiaries  to receive  postpartum coverage                                                                    
     for up to 12 months.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 3                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Amends the uncodified law  to establish the requirement                                                                    
     that the  commissioner of  health notifies  the revisor                                                                    
     of statutes within  30 days of federal  approval of the                                                                    
     state plan amendment.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 4                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Establishes that the postpartum extension takes effect                                                                     
      on the day after the date the commissioner notifies                                                                       
     the revisor of statutes as described above.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:21:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. ZINK  clarified that April 1,  2022, was the first  time that                                                               
this legislation would come about as  part of ARPA.  She followed                                                               
with  a story  about a  patient that  she had  seen who  had lost                                                               
health  care  access  after pregnancy  and  was  struggling  with                                                               
alcohol use.   The patient  was able to re-enroll  into Medicaid,                                                               
which allowed her to get clean and sober.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:22:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA asked how many  individuals are uninsured and                                                               
go into  private insurance after  losing Medicaid  coverage after                                                               
the current 60 days.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:23:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RICCI was not able to  provide specific data on the question.                                                               
She  added  that,  from  the   fiscal  note,  about  1,500  women                                                               
indicated that  they would lose  coverage after the 60  days, and                                                               
additionally there  were about 2.300  women who  experienced gaps                                                               
in  health care  over the  following 10  months after  postpartum                                                               
coverage.   She  concluded  that under  the  current coverage  of                                                               
Medicaid "it is not streamlined, it  is not simplified, and it is                                                               
... very dependent on an individual's economic status."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. RICCI,  in response to  a follow up from  Representative Mina                                                               
about  how  the   ending  of  eligibility  is   notified  to  the                                                               
individuals,  specified  that  generally  a  notice  is  received                                                               
through the mail some time before their enrollment ends.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:25:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. ZINK  clarified her  previous story  following Representative                                                               
Saddler's  question,  stating  that  the  Medicaid  coverage  the                                                               
patient  was  able  to  re-enroll  in was  able  to  support  the                                                               
patient's sobriety.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DR. ZINK, in  response to a question  from Representative Saddler                                                               
about the reasoning of the  60-day postpartum coverage, said that                                                               
it  was  originally established  from  Centers  for Medicare  and                                                               
Medicaid Services  (CMS) in  1986, and  there has  been a  lot of                                                               
research  since that  time that  provides increasing  evidence to                                                               
extend coverage to the first year postpartum.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:27:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. ZINK,  in response to Representative  Saddler, clarified that                                                               
the  extended  coverage  is focused  on  both  physiological  and                                                               
psychological aspects of care.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DR. ZINK, in response to  a follow up from Representative Saddler                                                               
asking why  only 12 months, said  that it was what  is offered to                                                               
them, as well as having coverage  end for the mother and child at                                                               
the same period.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:29:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RICCI added  to Dr.  Zink's  response with  emphasis on  the                                                               
simplicity of the current offer through CMS.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:30:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RUFFRIDGE asked  for more  information about  the                                                               
non-injury related deaths.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:31:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REBEKAH  MORISSE, Section  Chief, Women's  Children's and  Family                                                               
Health,  said she  didn't  have  the exact  causes  on hand,  but                                                               
offered to provide them later.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:31:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER   asked  for  clarification   on  whether                                                               
postpartum  coverage   is  for   all  services,  or   just  those                                                               
pertaining to postpartum care.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. RICCI confirmed it was for all services.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:32:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. ZINK,  in response to  a question  from Chair Prax  about how                                                               
individuals lost coverage of Medicaid,  stated that it is because                                                               
they do not renew coverage during the 60-day period.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:33:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RICCI, in  response to a follow-up question  from Chair Prax,                                                               
clarified  that Medicaid  does not  have pre-existing  conditions                                                               
exclusions,  and  few  private   insurance  plans  maintain  pre-                                                               
existing exclusions.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:34:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER asked  if there  is  a limit  to how  far                                                               
Medicaid  expansion  will  go and  whether  every  Alaskan  would                                                               
eventually be covered under Medicaid.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RICCI  assured  that  HB  59  is  "specific,  targeted,  and                                                               
narrow," and only extends  pre-existing coverage without creating                                                               
a new eligibility group.   She expanded that Medicaid is intended                                                               
to take  an upfront cost but  provide long term savings,  as seen                                                               
in Texas.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:36:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  said he  wished to  see hard  evidence of                                                               
the savings  provided by Medicaid.   He  also asked Ms.  Ricci to                                                               
provide an example  of what an unnecessary  expansion of Medicaid                                                               
would be.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RICCI  replied  that  she hesitated  to  speculate  on  what                                                               
expansions would be unnecessary.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:37:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RICCI,  in response to a  question from Chair Prax  asking to                                                               
clarify that  the individual Medicaid  costs would  decrease over                                                               
the long  term, said that it  is very difficult to  quantify what                                                               
different variables affect  what.  She added that  there has been                                                               
work in Texas that is able to demonstrate cost-savings.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:38:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. ZINK added to Ms.  Ricci's response and provided the examples                                                               
that the first states to  take advantage of this opportunity were                                                               
non-expansion  states.   They determined  that the  most targeted                                                               
intervention  that they  could  implement  with the  longest-term                                                               
benefit was expanding  postpartum care.  She  further expanded on                                                               
Texas, clarifying that  it was looking at a  managed care program                                                               
that expanded coverage  to 12 months and that the  state was able                                                               
to see  a decrease in  high-risk pregnancies, the  highest causes                                                               
of death  were less  influenced by pregnancies,  and there  was a                                                               
decrease in chronic conditions.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:39:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. ZINK,  in response to Representative  Saddler, clarified that                                                               
although Texas used  a managed care program,  Alaska would likely                                                               
see similar results.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:40:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RUFFRIDGE  opined  that although  cost-saving  is                                                               
important,  the  committee should  consider  that  saving a  life                                                               
should be thought of as well.   He expressed that he would rather                                                               
save a life if given the opportunity.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:41:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  PRAX said  he  appreciated the  concern  but reminded  the                                                               
committee members that they must  look at the comparative cost of                                                               
the state's budget.   He mentioned that HB 17  also has a similar                                                               
question,  adding  costs  for   pregnancy  prevention  that  have                                                               
economic consequences down the road.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:43:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS  added  that  expanding  coverage  reduces                                                               
cost,  as the  cost of  churn [individuals  disenrolling and  re-                                                               
enrolling] is more expensive than being covered for 12 months.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:43:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  ZINK expressed  that  she  would be  happy  to provide  more                                                               
information  on churn  in the  Medicaid system.   She  added that                                                               
there is  additional work being  done by Medicaid  Enrollment and                                                               
Spending  in Alaska  (MESA) looking  at how  Medicaid can  manage                                                               
medical  costs  long  term,  and  she  acknowledged  that  it  is                                                               
difficult to see the cost savings of these individual bills.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:44:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS  added  that  since  expanding  postpartum                                                               
coverage would reduce child abuse,  it would then reduce costs in                                                               
other  departments  such as  the  Office  of Children's  Services                                                               
(OCS).                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:44:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. ZINK  continued to  add the Alaska  Department of  Health has                                                               
the Alaska  Longitudinal Child Abuse and  Neglect Linkage Project                                                               
(ALCANLink) that  looks at the  return on investment  of reducing                                                               
adverse child  experiences and increasing protective  factors and                                                               
showing  the  long  term  economic  and  health  benefits.    She                                                               
referenced   the  previous   information  from   the  Mathematica                                                               
infographic and  how the  $14.2 [billion]  cost is  so big  as it                                                               
includes many other sources of cost to the state.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:46:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER asked  if there  is any  part of  the CMS                                                               
system  that balances  the cost  of  medical care  with saving  a                                                               
life.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DR. ZINK responded  by assuring that she must  balance the budget                                                               
on a  policy level, which can  conflict with what she  wants as a                                                               
parent or  what she  wants as  a physician.   She added  that the                                                               
Center  for  Disease  Control  and  Prevention's  (CDC's)  Health                                                               
Impact  in  5  Years  (HI-5)   project  can  show  what  up-front                                                               
investments  are able  to provide  the  largest long-term  health                                                               
benefits, and that  expanding postpartum care is one  of the most                                                               
important   places  to   implement  cost-effective   and  health-                                                               
effective care.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:49:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS requested  to  move back  to  slide 4  and                                                               
discuss  how much  the U.S.  spends per  capita on  maternal care                                                               
compared  to the  other countries  that have  a [10]  times lower                                                               
death rate.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. ZINK  said that  is depends  on how  maternal care  costs are                                                               
calculated, but  the U.S. usually  spends more per  individual on                                                               
health care  costs.  She added  that the health of  an individual                                                               
is about 80  percent determined by factors outside  of the health                                                               
care system.   She  emphasized that  putting up-front  costs into                                                               
targeted policies  can reduce long-term costs  and provide better                                                               
health outcomes.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:52:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER asked if there is any evidence that                                                                      
helping fathers will also provide benefits.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. ZINK agreed firmly that helping fathers would also provide                                                                  
similar benefits, but highlighted the legislature is taking                                                                     
advantage of an opportunity provided by CMS.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:52:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PRAX announced that HB 59 was held over.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:53:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Health and Social Services Standing Committee meeting was                                                                       
adjourned at 3:53 p.m.                                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 59 Research Maternal Mortality 12.1.2022 .pdf HHSS 2/21/2023 3:00:00 PM
HB 59
HB 59 Sectional Analysis Version A.pdf HHSS 2/21/2023 3:00:00 PM
HB 59
HB 59 Sponsor Statement.pdf HHSS 2/21/2023 3:00:00 PM
HB 59
HB 59 Summary Version A.pdf HHSS 2/21/2023 3:00:00 PM
HB 59
HB 59 Version A.PDF HHSS 2/21/2023 3:00:00 PM
HB 59
HB 59 Dept. of Health Presentation 2.17.2023.pdf HHSS 2/21/2023 3:00:00 PM
HB 59
HB 59-SB 58 American Heart Association Letter of Support.pdf HHSS 2/21/2023 3:00:00 PM
HHSS 3/7/2023 3:00:00 PM
HB 59
SB 58
AHHA Letter of Support for HB59 Postpartum Medicaid 2-9-23.pdf HHSS 2/21/2023 3:00:00 PM
HHSS 3/7/2023 3:00:00 PM
HB 59